That's really annoying I agree..

But you know, I think it's only if the team who attacks that no show that the defenders should get their clones. Some corporations sometimes get attacked 3-4 times in 30min and they can't defend all battles. They might lose a district that way so it's already an important loss.

Well Aeon.. I'm not quiet use to PC 2.0 stuffs yet x) I just threw this idea out of my mind reading what the OP said. Unfortunatly, you're right, people will exploit this once again..

You make a good point Cat Merc.

Why are people touchy about no shows?

It is, and should remain an effective way to harass a larger, stronger group.

If a corp wants to earn and then spend their CP, why should they be restricted from it because it works at making big groups salty?

BTW, if you form up an hour before a PC, its your own fault for getting bored. Get better organized.

If a corp completely no shows the CP wallet should be frozen for a period of X days (no CP in and no ability to spend CP) or a CP penalty to the wallet equivalent to the CP cost of the attack launched or a set amount that gives pause to leaving a battle completely empty.

This is some of the laziest reasoning I've seen anywhere in the community, and I'm kinda surprised to see it from you Aeon.


Mechanics which discourage the creation of content or fights and punish people who organize and DO show up to play the actual game are completely undesirable. PC takes people's time. Time organizing battles, managing districts, preparing for fights, and then playing them out. Everyone could spend that time doing a whole number of other things, both in game and out of it, if they're not going to get any content. Sitting around on the starmap or in a war barge waiting for a team that never appears isn't content.

It's incredible that people sit around forum-warrior'ing and then deign to judge that groups of 16+ people deserve to have their time completely wasted extremely frequently, and that this is an okay situation to foster within the game mechanics. I haven't sat around providing feedback about PC for years so that we can lazily dismiss clear flaws in the design which will push Molden Heath to become even more (somehow?) of a ghost town.



At the end of the day, people play this game to fight FPS battles. Encouraging an environment where that doesn't happen within the game mechanics is a fantastic way to further deflate the player base.

Yeah, but this is an Fps. Imagine playing Bf4 of something and just having no show battles back to back. No content/nothing, itd end the game due to boredom.

I think the present Risk vs Reward sums up the issues quite well. The attacker literally has nothing at risk while the stakes for the defender are huge both in tangibles (the district) and intangibles (time).

I'm glad we agree here.

The problem with an increased cost for CP attacks is that it could negatively impact the barrier to entry for corps trying to get into PC. Sure an ISK cost could be added to attacks even when you don't hold land, but I think that unfairly hits players trying to enter into PC. The specific act of no showing should be targeted to prevent impacting the barrier to entry. Thus a CP cost for no showing etc.

At the bare minimum whether a defender or attack no shows there needs be a mechanic in place where the match auto completes giving victory to the team that bothered to put bodies in the match. Again, it's terribly easy to put people into a match (heck you can even start a pub squad) and avoid no show penalties while keeping the ability to feint and various other forms of emergent game play.

Really starting with finishing off the battle if no one shows up would be a good start.

The CP penalty I think would need to at least 7500 CP (equivalent of moving/selling 150 clones), but I'm not sure if that would be of enough consequence to matter. Again, we'd be trying to recreate the pause given to folks that were throwing out clone packs at 30 to 80 million ISK a pop. A freeze on the CP wallet has also been suggested as well, but I'm not sure how much I like that idea. Something like the CP wallet being locked out for X days (no CP in or out).

As someone said earlier though if people want to engage in something more meaningful than "weaponized boredom" we need raiding mechanics that can allow fights to occur in PC in less that 24 hours potentially with 8v8, 12v12, 16v16 set ups.